Survivor: Heroes vs Healers vs Hustlers | 35ª Temporada, Estados Unidos

[Ronmed]

Por si los healers jugaban un ídolo (?)

Pero que eran 7, la división no les servía de nada para prevenir eso.

[West]

Tampoco entendí eso... pero no sabían lo de Lauren y asumirian que sería empate de todos modos xD Pero Ben parecía perdido y no sabía lo que hacía:-s Se me ha caído en este episodio por moralistas y pesado

[roggy]

Una duda, ¿a qué ha venido todo el drama de dividir votos si siendo once no podían dividir igualmente sin convencer a algún healer? Es que lo del no-voto de Lauren no cambiaba nada. Mucho marine y mucha mierda de esas, pero no saben sumar.

Hombre, pasaban de 4-3-4 a 3-3-4 si votaban juntos.

[roggy]

Por si los healers jugaban un ídolo (?)

Pero que eran 7, la división no les servía de nada para prevenir eso.

MMMM porque ellos pensaban que tenia el idolo Joe,por eso Joe tenía 3 votos y Desi 4. Er aun 50/50, pensaban que Joe tendróa el idolo y no seria capaz de usarlo en Desi.

Pero si, ahi ya estaban en risk.

[West]

Bueno la corrida que se dará el foro cuando echen a Ryan o Lauren le humille en la F3.

[roggy]

Yo no tengo ninguna duda que Ryan será humillado en la F4 o en la F6, a manos de Lauren y Devon.

[West]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18F8I91y_0M

Ponderosa de Desi

[West]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmvf3jFWtMw

Por favor Joe Pero que sus tribales Seguro se va siguiente pero aprecio a un jugador como el, aparte de compartir nacionalidad... le odiaría mucho si fuese un bully ala Jason o un pesado, pero va jodiéndoles, les hace molestarse con el xD

Lo veo volviendo. Devon... que es un pretender de mierda jaja

[West]

Que Joe hasta tenía su bolsa en los hombros, se hacía afuera xD

[West]

Lauren y su futura hija fisherman a SV Blood vs Water 5

[Ronmed]

Por si los healers jugaban un ídolo (?)

Pero que eran 7, la división no les servía de nada para prevenir eso.

MMMM porque ellos pensaban que tenia el idolo Joe,por eso Joe tenía 3 votos y Desi 4. Er aun 50/50, pensaban que Joe tendróa el idolo y no seria capaz de usarlo en Desi.

Pero si, ahi ya estaban en risk.

Claro, pero lo absurdo ahí era darle los 3 votos a Joe. No servían para nada, porque los otros seguían siendo más de tres si votaban juntos. Independientemente de lo de Lauren.

[Spy_Shack]

Me ha gustado mucho el episodio. Lo que me he reído con el reward y con la que se ha liado con el ídolo.

La semana pasada puse que veía con más opciones de ganar a Chrissy, Ryan, Ben, Mike y Joe pero después de hacer un rewatch del episodio anterior y del de esta semana tengo claro que gana Devon. He notado pequeñas pistas que apuntan a ello. Además, está bien posicionado, cae bien a todos y nadie lo ve como una amenaza. Creo que según avancen los episodios vamos a ver mucho más de Devon y dejará de ser el "zombie" que dice ser.

In my opinion.

PD: A mi también me está gustando mucho la season y el boot order no me molesta.

[roggy]

Desi poniendo a parir a Chrissy, YAS GURL.

[roggy]

La semana pasada puse que veía con más opciones de ganar a Chrissy, Ryan, Ben, Mike y Joe pero después de hacer un rewatch del episodio anterior y del de esta semana tengo claro que gana Devon. He notado pequeñas pistas que apuntan a ello. Además, está bien posicionado, cae bien a todos y nadie lo ve como una amenaza. Creo que según avancen los episodios vamos a ver mucho más de Devon y dejará de ser el "zombie" que dice ser.

Si Devon ganara o tuviera éxito, siendo un chico "guapo" (que es feo de cara) surfero con melenas y potencial Fan-Favorite.... ya nos le habrían metido por los ojos.

[YoYo]

Maravilloso episodio y maravillosa recompensa

[Kris]

Porfavor, esta season es pura fantasia
Y nose que os quejais del boot order cuando Desi era practicamente la persona mas INV de todos los que quedan. Que si, está en la alianza que os gusta, pero es la que menos pintaba de alli.

Ojalá en el proximo caiga Ben porque no le soporto. Chrissy perdiendo todo el target de un episode a otro, maravillosa. Lauren se robó el TC y las palabras finales de Devon en el TC a mi también se me hicieron muy de winner, pero esque esta season voy pensando que gana uno distinto a cada rato, me parece uno de los mejores edits en años.

[jhon locke]

Ahhhhh mi hermano Ryan con el poder absoluto es que los tiene a todos comiendo de la palma de su mano y no veo que lo echen , que si sería lo logico porque más allá de el famoso edit y esas mierdas, la verdad Ryas tiene toda la pinta de winner.

Maravilloso episodio, y nadie daba un pepino por esta season. El edit, la recompensa, la pelea por el Hii (el cual por cierto ya tenia mi hermano Ryan ) y la expulsion de la sosa esa imagino al subforo rabiando

Joe despues de Ryan es el gran personaje de la season, Cole me cae cada vez mejor es todo un showmen xD ojalá dure más.

Ben más señor horrible no podría ser y por eso tiene mi apoyo.

[jhon locke]

jajajajajaaj pero ¿por que le lloran a la negra esa? era la más INV de todos los que quedan, y tal vez de todo el cast. Solo la querían por el color de su piel ya cambien sus perfiles de favs y odiados por dios que siempre es lo mismo.

Y no, Ryan no se irá humillado ni nada de esas mierdas xD que ya es un all star consagrado de todas formas

[X2franklop]

A mi me esta encantando esta season, el segmento de los spagethis y luego todos peleando por el idolo es oro.

Lo unico malo que estan echando a todos los chochos, que las dejen en paz!

Y todavia sigo sin entender que se libraran de Desi y no de Joe, lo tenian a huevo :S

[Comercial]

Yo no entiendo que Cole y Mark no votasen junto a Joe y Desi y se cargasen a Ben o a Chrissy. Y más aún después de que Ben les traicionase y expulsase a la maravillosa Jessica

[Ronmed]

No lo hicieron porque no tenían los números y se iba Desi igual.

[Spy_Shack]

La semana pasada puse que veía con más opciones de ganar a Chrissy, Ryan, Ben, Mike y Joe pero después de hacer un rewatch del episodio anterior y del de esta semana tengo claro que gana Devon. He notado pequeñas pistas que apuntan a ello. Además, está bien posicionado, cae bien a todos y nadie lo ve como una amenaza. Creo que según avancen los episodios vamos a ver mucho más de Devon y dejará de ser el "zombie" que dice ser.

Si Devon ganara o tuviera éxito, siendo un chico "guapo" (que es feo de cara) surfero con melenas y potencial Fan-Favorite.... ya nos le habrían metido por los ojos.

Sigo pensando que gana. Y después de leer este post que alguien ha publicado en reddit lo tengo más claro (copio y pego).

I'm a member of Unspoiled Edgic and I have had Devon as my #1 contender since episode 3 pretty much. I very much think he's winning.

Here's a list of all the signs of editing manipulation in Devon's edit!

(If you listen to Dom & Colin, Colin read this list in his Edit Zone on the podcast this past week!)

Devon's Editing Manipulation
EP1 - Devon was the only Hustler shown introducing himself to his tribe in the initial camp scene. He told us he is a surf instructor. He doesn't make a lot of money, but it pays the bills. (Now if Chrissy and Devon are both finalists, that would be interesting because they are getting juxtaposed out of the gate. In Chrissy's opening confessional, she was presented as "already making a lot of money", whereas Devon is presented as "not making a lot of money.")

EP1 - Ryan is shown saying that Devon made a good first impression. Devon is shown laughing and getting along with everyone.

EP2 - Devon correctly points out that Simone needs to get voted out because of her challenge performance. Simone does get voted out.

EP3 - Devon was the only one of the Hustlers shown saying he wants to keep Lauren and not Patrick. Both Ali and Ryan said they'd rather keep Pat. So, Devon was the only Hustler shown getting his way at both pre-swap TC's the Hustlers went to. That's also interesting because in episode 1, Ryan said he was more strategically sound, and yet the edit presented voting out Patrick as Devon's call here and NOT Ryan's.

EP4 - Devon got SPV from all his tribemates. The edit presented him as the power player on that tribe. Just about everything revolved around him. Desi said, "We’ve got, I think, the strongest of all the Hustlers in Devon in the middle. It would be easy for the four of us to just vote Devon out, but I’d rather work with him because he’s potentially the swing vote." Joe said, "Devon is a swing vote, and I want him on my side." Alan said, "No question, Devon is a swing vote, and whoever he goes with is going to come out on top." That was a lot of focus for somebody who never even got to cast a vote at that TC. The editors seemed to manipulate that whole episode to show that Devon was in the swing position, and so if the disadvantage had not come into effect, he would have been the mover and shaker on that tribe.

EP4 - Devon is shown immediately seeing through Joe's bullshit. It basically kills any chance for a red-herring, and as I said before, winners do not usually generate red-herrings. They are usually shown as intentional players, and Devon very much was shown in this light. "I don’t know if I can really trust Joe, but this is the first time that I’ve felt like, 'Shoot, I might be going home next.' So I gotta figure out my next move." The edit made look Joe look very bad, whereas Devon came off looking really good as he compared notes with Alan and Ashley.

EP4 - Probst says to Devon at TC "everyone here is willing to lay on their sword for their partner. The pressure on you is enormous to make the move that moves you forward." Devon responds, "Well, every decision I've made has been is this going to further my game, and my decision is going to stay the same every Tribal Council I attend..." Probst adds, "What's good for you." Devon nods. This further justifies that Devon is a player with his head in the game. And even if he didn't get to vote, he is playing with the intention to make smart moves and go all the way.

EP4&5 - Probst focused on Devon in the recap and validated that "At Levu, Devon held all the power." That means that we can't count Devon's saying, "I have all the power in my hands." against him because Probst affirmed that Devon did have the power. The recap also barely focused on the twist. They seemed to be dusting it under the rug almost.

EP5 - The Levu reward scene seemed to function in re-establishing Devon as a major power-player. Devon's strong social game was very much emphasized. They first showed him thanking his tribe for allowing him to shoot the baskets at ther reward challenge. The edit then makes it clear that Devon's head is in the game. "Winning that reward, it was just so nice-- spiritually, physically, mentally, all of it-- but it makes me realize more and more how important it is to keep my mind in the game."

EP5 - We learn about who Devon wants out. He wants Joe out. This is very specific and shows that Devon is an intentional player. "I think the best thing for my game in the end would be to get rid of Joe. He’s the strongest player I’ve met here as far as knowledge of the game, strategy. He’s a good player and he scares me." Devon is the first one shown to be driving the strategy on nu-Levu after the chaos of the previous tribal. Whereas Ashley is shown talking about "Devon and I... We...", Devon is shown saying "I... my game..."

EP5 - The editors show us how grateful Ashley feels to have Devon with her. This paints Devon in a positive light. "After a night like last night, I’m feeling incredibly nervous. The only good thing is that I have Devon. We are in this together."

EP5 - Devon is shown WILLING TO GO TO ROCKS! Remember, going to ROCKS is the biggest sign of a good Survivor player to the producers. The fact that Devon is shown here willing to go to rocks pre-merge is huge! As STUPID as it is to actually go to rocks pre-merge for somebody, the producers think it's the best thing ever. This is a huge point in Devon's favor for his chances of winning. The editors beat us over the head with the fact that Devon was willing to go to ROCKS and make a BIG move. If Devon goes on to win this game, he probaly gets to the end not having as much agency as Chrissy and Ryan. And so it's likely that the editors would beat our heads with this fact that Devon was wiling to go to rocks to justify that Devon was an intentional player willing to make BIG moves!

EP6 - There was no way to edit Devon out of that Joe's idol find scene, and so they HAD to show Devon saying something. And so the editors used this scene to further build up the Devon vs. Joe rivalry. Since Devon is the hero out of these two players, that seems good for his chances as of coming out on top. It seems the editors are manipulating their dynamic to give credit to Devon for eventually taking out Joe. Again, if Devon wins, they have to start building up his case early because chances are players like Ryan and Chrissy also play a big role in eventually taking out Joe. But for whatever reason, the editors seem to want to be giving credit to Devon specifically way ahead of time.

EP7 - The editors and producers always like to depict the winner praising a sponsorship when they've had them in the past. That's just good PR to have the winner praising a sponsorship's product/service. Think of Tina talking about Frito Lay in AO. And Sandra talking about how much her husband and her love Outback Steakhouse in HvV. In this episode, the editors were clearly manipulating the final nu-Levu scene to show Devon as starving, so that he would be shown as benefiting the MOST from the Outback merge feast. Devon says at the final nu-Levu scene, "This is the saddest point of my life right here." In confessional he says, "My brain feels dead and every single one of my limbs feels like it weighs a thousand pounds. This game is a lot more real than I thought, and going into this next reward challenge, if we don't win, I don't know what I'm going to do." Then that drone zooms out as he lies supline in cruciform.... Five minutes later, at the Outback merge feast, Devon gets the first confessional and is shown saying, "Oh my god. I am just in perfect bliss right now. To make the merge is such an accomplishment and to go from such a low this morning to being with all these amazing people and to go and eat this Outback feast with such happiness, I feel like a king, man! This is the life!" This is the exact kind of shenanigans the editors do with the winner. They insert the winner in there to make the sponsorship look good. It was SO transparent in this episode.

EP7 - We constantly got Devon's strategic insight throughout the merge episode. Ryan was kicked to the curb edit-wise, and we kept hearing Devon's insights and he was constantly inserted into strategic conversations where he wasn't even relevant. "Right now looking at the 12, I really think the strongest people truly made it to the merge. But the Heroes and the Healers see each other as threats this whole game, and us Hustlers have been flloating under ther radar, which coming into the merge isn't a bad spot to be." Devon is shown again playing with intentionality, laying out his strategy. And in every major conversation between Heroes and Hustlers, the editors made sure that Devon was a very visible interlucutor. Devon was always there as one of the top 3 conversants!

EP7 - When Devon tells Lauren it's the Heroes and the Hustlers against the Healers and she goes to Mike, she presents that plan as Devon's plan, NOT Chrissy's, NOT Ryan's, NOT Ben's but Devon's! Then we later see Ben going to Dr. Mike and says, that "Devon wants to vote out either Joe or Cole and take out the Healers". CAN'T YOU GUYS SEE IT???????? The edit is presenting Devon as having more agency than he realistically had. That is editing manipulation!!!!! Is it not????? Devon got credit for coming up with this plan of unifying the two tribes, NOT Chrissy. Yes, Chrissy decided to target Jess, but Devon was shown as the one taking action to make the plan of the initial Levu and Yawa teaming up a reality and taking out a Healer happen! That is such a glaring sign of a winners edit! Come on! Lol!.... And while Lauren was shown leaking Devon's plan to Mike, Mike never gave Devon any NSPV for coming up with that plan. Mike never said, "Devon is up to no good." or "Devon needs to go." or "We can't trust Devon." Lauren spilling the beans to Dr. Mike functioned as a red-herring because it made us think maybe she'd vote with the Healers. BUT ALSO, that scene existed to further emphasize Devon's agency in this move of bringing the Heroes and Healers together. Ben again re-emphasized this to Mike that it was Devon's idea.

EP8 - Joe talks at the reward about how, "Right now, who has the power is the Hustlers. I have a decent relationship with Devon. So I gave him first dibs on eating. I feel that if I continue, you know, developing a relationship with Devon, that's going to benefit me definitely in the long-run." That confessional was so out of place and so random. It's not something the edit would normally say about a non-winner. If Devon wins, he's probably an under-whelming winner to the producers. He won't make a ton of moves and will win mainly because of his social game and likability. So this is a moment where the edit is clearly trying to showcase Devon's strong social game. I think the edit was also protecting Devon here. Devon went first to the feast and did NOT notice the idol clue. I think the editors were trying to make sure Devon would NOT look bad to the audience for not noticing the idol clue. So they gave a confessional to us of Joe praising Devon's social game and talking about how his relationship with Devon acts as a calming presence to his game.

EP8 - When Probst got onto the issue at TC of what it means to be your best self, he randomly turns to Devon of all people, and Devon gets that personal development we'd been waiting SO long for. It finally came. Devon said, "Yeah, I think this game just strips us down and we're exposed. Like today at camp we came back from the immunity challenge, and I was just laying in the shelter just dead, like uhhhh, and I don't want to be like that. I feel like I'm always a positive, high-energy person loving to smile and just laugh and have a good time all the time. I don't want to be a zombie. I like being a bright and beautiful light. I don't even know what I'm talking about anymore." Meantime, in the background, there is this soaring heroic music in the background.

Probst responds, "I think you know exactly what you're talking about, Devon." Ben adds, You got it, Devon." Probst enthusiastically exclaims, "Fascinating! Started tribal, ATTACK! Then it went deeper and it got personal! And once again we are going to do the thing we do, which is vote. And it will all woooooosh, crystalize again! That was an.... amazing journey!" It was such a shoe-horned personal development moment for Devon. This whole "The Walking Devon" theme is forced personal content they are giving Devon the winner because they don't have a better story to give him.

So yeah, I'm 95% sure Devon is winning. I have several a whole list of reasons I doubt any of the other 9 win.

Me parece que son puntos muy válidos. Ahora, que cada uno piense lo que quiera.

[roggy]

Bueno no voy a leer eso Xddd

[X2franklop]

Podeis poner vuestro pensamientos del ganador en spoiler please?

Que son pensamientos vaya, pero a mi personalmente me hace que mire con otros ojos a los que quedan.

[jhon locke]

Es que yo NUNCA entenderé por que chingados ven cada episodio tratando de encontrar al ganador